A Chat with Abi Longstaffe, Director of New Business at Spotlight
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Melissa: Abi, welcome to the podcast. Thank you for joining us today.
Abi: Thank you. Thanks for having me.
Melissa: So we're going to be talking about how our talent and voice actors are new to the industry and how they can make the most out of Spotlight in a little bit. But first of all, I just want to find out more about you because these stories are always fascinating. Where did it all start for you? Did you feel from a young age that you were always destined to have a career in the creative arts.
Melissa: And what was your childhood like? How did it inform where you are today?
Abi: Yeah, I think pretty much from quite an early age. I was always a bit of a performer. It's kind of in my blood a little bit as well like my grandparents had a great, great grandparents had like a traveling theatre company, which I only found out once I went to drama school and was like, Oh, I love that.
Abi: But my dad was always really good at doing impressions. He did a great Terry Wogan, I remember and various others, but he would always be doing impressions. And I think, that was something I got quite into as a kid. And [00:01:00] then when I got a bit older. I started doing the LAMBDA (The London Academy of Music and Dramatic Art) exams, but then when I was and I was trying to remember what, how old I was when I started doing this, but I had like this, I was very, very bossy as a child.
Abi: And I I basically set up this little theatre company. I was only like 10 or something. And basically I would write, direct and star. And I would make everyone audition as well. I was very serious about it as well. I remember my mum coming and saying to me like, Oh, please, can you let Nicola be in your drama group?
Abi: Cause she was, Like one of her friends, one of her friend's kids. And I was like, well, she's just going to have to audition like everybody else, mum. Like no favouritism.
Melissa: love that. Let me just unpick what you just said because that is fascinating that your grandparents had a traveling theatre group. I mean, where? How?
Abi: It was in Scotland this is a really kind of dubious thing within my family. And it's really hard to track [00:02:00] because my, My great grandfather did a bit of a runner, so no one really knows very much about him and his background is very sketchy, but then this is through his side of the family then.
Abi: So it's stories that have passed down through my gran on that side and stuff. But apparently, they had They seem to have been a bit of a jack of all trades on that side of the family and yeah, they had a, I don't know, in my head it's like a kind of like a kind of gypsy caravan that they would run, but that's completely just what I've created in my mind.
Abi: I don't know if that's the case. But I think then you would have traveling this companies that would go into pubs, didn't you like, you know, in the back of pubs, they would like pull up and sort of do their, do their thing and get some money and go. So I think that's the thing that they were doing.
Abi: But then they moved into building, building houses, and they started so in Inverness and stuff there's various houses that were built [00:03:00] by, yeah the, the company that my great, great, great grandfather set up. So he used his, yeah, this theatrical company to then fund building houses.
Abi: But yeah, it's very sketchy.
Melissa: I love it. I love it. It's never a dull story when you dig into family secrets, is there? Family stories. But I love that. I've heard as well that you used to do some brilliant impressions when you were younger. Can you talk us through any about any of those?
Abi: I'm not doing one, but yeah, I did use to I think probably I was influenced by my dad there a little bit, and I'd hear him doing stuff, and I just I really liked trying to copy people on the telly and stuff. I can't really remember loads of what, I used to do Donald Duck and a lot of the anime characters that, you watched as a kid, but I did, my favourite was Margaret Thatcher, just generally, because I got loads of reaction from that one.
Abi: So I used to, it was during the Miner's Strike and things where she was on the telly quite a lot and I used to have this little kind of [00:04:00] skit that I would do on her where I was basically just repeating things that I'd heard people say about, I'd heard her say about Arthur Scargill in the Miner's Strike.
Abi: I had no idea what I was saying at all really, but I would do that and put on this impression of Margaret Thatcher, which would have, I did for my class, I remember, I can't remember why, but probably just, they probably just let me do the Abi show every day, I think, but, so I went up and did that, and the teacher thought it was so funny that he then got me to go into the teacher's staff room, which then was full of smoke.
Abi: I remember going in and it was like, really smoky. And me doing this Margaret Thatcher impression and being really Surprised that everyone was laughing and finding it so funny and,
Melissa: I love that story, but what's fascinating about that is Margaret Thatcher actually had really intensive accent lessons to iron out her natural accent and to be much more British RP, which we were talking about earlier. And that was from a trained actor and not very many people know that. So I love the fact that it had that [00:05:00] impact on you.
Abi: know what her original accent was?
Melissa: I don't actually, I don't. I think it was to make her more powerful and I've read that it was to lower her register as well to,
Abi: Yeah, that makes
Melissa: in a world full of men obviously. But I, I've just got images now of you doing the Margaret Thatcher impersonation, which I will not ask you to do now.
Melissa: So let's move on to your acting experience. You're a trained actor. You went to drama school. You also have a PGC in English. So a trained teacher as well. How did those experiences inform where you are now? Are you grateful for them? What was useful from those experiences? What wasn't useful?
Abi: , yeah, definitely. I think they've definitely informed where I am now, so yeah, they're very much, particularly obviously going to drama school is very much still part of my life now. And I think always will be. So yeah, it was a sort of funny journey to drama school and I didn't go straight from university.
Abi: I did my first degree and then. worked for a while [00:06:00] and did my PGC and then ended up going to drama school. So it's a really odd route. But for me, I think that was the right route because I think I almost needed to grow up a bit, I think really, before I sort of did, you know, went into acting.
Abi: I think I would have been like, just, yeah, a horrendous, if I'd gone straight into acting and working as an actor, I can imagine I would have been a nightmare. So, I think it was really good that I sort of. grew up a bit and got a bit of life experience before, before I went into it. But yeah, I loved, I went to Mount View and it's just, it's such a crazy creative environment to be in.
Abi: And yeah, I think I, I felt really excited by it as soon as I, as soon as I got there really. And I really fell in love with Mount View. I did audition for a few drama schools, but there was something really kind of, down to earth about Mount View that I really liked. And the head of the acting course then was Andrew Jarvis, who's a really amazing Shakespearean actor and just such a interesting character.
Abi: And I think as soon as I met him and talked to him, I [00:07:00] was like, yeah, I really want to work with you. I think that would be, I just found him really inspiring. And I think that's, what's important about drama school, isn't it as well, that you're, that you're just inspired and motivated by everyone that's, that's around you.
Melissa: how lucky to have had that experience. Not everybody has that experience with every university course or drama course that they do. And I think it's not until you're older, is it? When you look back and think, God, I'm really glad I look at university, And my time at drama schools here and in America, and I went on a part time basis by the way to drama schools, but they were like buffer zones at really pivotal parts of my life where I was moving from one stage to another, when I did English literature at university and, the times quite heavily into.
Melissa: partying, I would say, and having a good time. And we all just did it last minute and, probably didn't take it quite as seriously as we should have done. However, now that I'm older, I'm just like, thank God I, I read those books then. And I was introduced to those books then because they're [00:08:00] such a big part of my life now because I revisit them all the time.
Melissa: So yeah, having that buffer. And I think to have that experience when you're talking about Mount View you clearly look at it with such affection on. I think if we're lucky enough to get that experience, that's incredible. So really interesting to hear about that. You've also had significant professional experience.
Melissa: You've held senior roles at Mandy, Casting Call Pro, theatre production companies and more. How did all this prepare you for your role at Spotlight? And can you share any memorable experiences from this time? Obviously, you've been at the other end of receiving auditions and casting, and I'd really like you to share some of that with us before we go on to talk more about Spotlight.
Abi: Yeah, sure. There's kind of a lot that's, that covers my majority of my life, it feels like. So I guess I after I've been acting, so I sort of was acting for quite a while and Everything was going quite well. I worked for quite a lot of the big theatre companies and was doing a lot of [00:09:00] touring and did some little stints in the, in the West End and stuff.
Abi: And I think to be honest, I just, I firstly started to get this, it's really bad. I started to not really enjoy the actual performing in front of the audience. I, loved the rehearsal periods and playing around and doing all of that. And then, and I loved the first night because you get mad adrenaline rush.
Abi: And then after that, I just feel a bit like, oh God, like, how long are we going to be here? And I remember my last professional acting job was in the West End. It was Ken Wright was producing, the late Ken Wright and I remember it, it was we were, it was all over Christmas as well and there'd been rumours because we'd had such bad audiences that they were going to close the show.
Abi: I remember him coming calling everyone into one of the dressing rooms before the show. And I was, I really thought he was going to cancel the show, which I was really relieved [00:10:00] about. And then he was like, I have such faith in this show, you know, I don't care that we're not getting the people in, we're going to keep going with it.
Abi: And I was just like, I think I left and cried because I was just like, oh my god, I can't do this every night. So I think that was the last show that I did.
Melissa: Really?
Abi: Yeah, because I think at that point I was like, oh, as you know, I, I don't think doing these long theatre tours is for me. And then I started getting to the point where you know, because when you're acting like that and when you're acting generally, you miss so many people's weddings and holidays.
Abi: And I remember like booking like, Glastonbury tickets and then not being able to go. So I'd get a theatre job and obviously the acting always comes first. And I think, and also touring, you're in digs for a week and then you're back in London for the weekend. And I think I was just getting to a stage where I was like, I'm not sure I really, that this is what I want to do anymore.
Melissa: It's so hard, isn't it? Because actually the life of an actor, as you get older and you want to have a family and you [00:11:00] want to have a life, becomes incredibly difficult. I remember doing, I was a radio broadcaster with the breakfast show and then also acting. I did a six-week run of one of the professional pantomimes.
Melissa: And then after that I went out every night till about one in the morning, and I think I existed for six weeks, getting up at four. Going to bed at one and it nearly killed me. I mean, obviously I should have been taking better care of my health, but yeah, you can't do that forever, can you? So interesting that was the one that kind of killed it for you.
Melissa: And maybe it was meant to be, right?
Abi: Yeah, I think it probably was actually. And I did try a bit after I I tried to change agents and then the agent wasn't getting the work that I wanted because I thought, okay, maybe I just need to go to more of a screen kind of agent who can get me more screen work, but I don't think I'm really made for screen.
Abi: That didn't quite work out. Yeah, I think and during all this time, I've been starting doing a lot of corporate role play and training. And so I'd got quite heavily involved in that and was running quite a lot of training courses. And I think I just started thinking [00:12:00] like, Oh, you know, I quite like all of this.
Abi: The organising and the business side of things. And also we were talking about, when I was younger and being really interested in performing, but I was also a bit of a wheeler dealer when I was a kid as well. I'd like, I remember I had this racket at school where I was I'd get one of my mum's friends to make these Rice Krispie cakes that I'd then sell and keep all the profit.
Abi: I think I might have even said that I was giving the money to charity.
Melissa: Oh, you're going to have to donate it now.
Abi: I know.
Melissa: Have to atone for those sins, Abby.
Abi: think I always had some like little sort of hustle going on and I think I've always really liked not that it's all a hustle, just that kind of that sort of working things out and strategy and stuff.
Abi: Yeah, I think actually I fell into working for Casting Call Pro because they wanted someone who knew the industry well and could set up some strategy there. And that at the time I thought, I'll just do this for six months or something. And then, and then I'll go back to acting.
Abi: And I [00:13:00] think at the end of six months, I was like, I don't really want to leave now. And it's funny, isn't it? I think it just gets to being the right time for you. And, I'm sure I'll. go back to acting when I retire or something. I quite like the, I quite like the idea of like when Glenda Jackson went back into acting, not that I was anywhere near that level, but I was just like, oh yeah, that's great,
Melissa: Yeah, there'll be all these kind of older acting troops occurring. I'm sure. Tell us a bit about what you learned at Mandy and Casting Call Pro from the other side of the screen. If you like, we here at BRAVA, when we train, we talk a lot about auditioning. Of course, that's a huge part of the job.
Melissa: What did you learn about when you receive all those auditions? What stands out for you? What kind of advice can you give us on that?
Abi: Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it? I think I definitely, started to become aware of like how things work more. I think I thought I knew that when I was acting, but I don't think I did actually. I think sometimes, it takes sort of being [00:14:00] removed from it a little bit to give you that awareness.
Abi: I mean, and also just like when I was an actor, I didn't really even know who the names of all the casting directors or the companies or anything really. I just let my agent tell me where to go. And, and, you know, that was. pretty much it. I did use to contact some theatres actually but yeah I don't think I really knew enough actually about the industry all about how to promote myself as well.
Abi: Thinking about what stands out, I think for me, I was probably when I was acting I think I tried too hard really. And I think I felt like you had to show loads, and so I think I would almost show too much and things and not just realise that, yeah, do you know what?
Abi: You can actually sit back on things a little bit, relax into it and just be more authentic,
Melissa: Oh, we do so much work around that. We're quite intensive here as a training option at BRAVA. And we are really for creative professionals already in other [00:15:00] industries. So opera singing
Abi: Mm.
Melissa: rapping or a musician or whatever or any other creative industry. And we do a lot of work on digging in to how to let go, how to strip it back.
Melissa: Mainly because I think it's really important to understand. Understand the sector, the market you're voicing for. And so often it's, nobody really cares about us as voice actor. They just wanna match the voice to their product or service. So it's a different set of skills. We say that all the time.
Melissa: So it's really interesting that you talk about that. Tell us. A little bit. You're now head of new business at Spotlight. Tell us a bit more about the organisation and what it offers for actors in general. And then in a minute, we'll talk specifically about voice actors. But just if you were to sum up Spotlight in a few sentences, what is it?
Abi: Well, I think the tagline is the home of casting. That's what they like to use. Which I think is good, actually, because yeah, for anyone who doesn't know, Spotlight's been around since 1927. So we're coming [00:16:00] up for a hundred years now. It started out as being pamphlets that people would have with, that the actors would promote themselves to casting directors.
Abi: And then it moved on to the directories. And then it's finally moved online now. But I think there's something so that everyone working here I think feels so proud of that we have been in the industry for so long. And there is quite a lot of nostalgia around that in a way, but I think the reason it has stayed to be like the top casting platform is that it has developed and changed and grown, as the years go on and really adapted itself to the growing market.
Abi: And there's lots of people here who've been here for, Over 20 years, I've obviously not been here as long. So I've been here a couple of years, but yeah, my, my role here is so I'm director of new business now. And so basically what I do is look at how we're growing and responding to [00:17:00] different areas of the business.
Abi: So voiceover being one of those, but also I look at different territories, so we're looking at Europe and how that works and how we can integrate more into Europe. And then I also look at we've got the Spotlight studios and look at how we can be promoting in and increasing revenue there.
Abi: So it's there's quite a lot of bits and pieces. I also do a lot of work with the students obviously as well because that's a bit of my background. So yeah, it's quite a big role.
Melissa: So let's talk specifically about how you've adapted to the increase in voice actors. Talk us about some of the support that you offer voice actors and what they can expect from you if they join Spotlight. I've been
Abi: I think the kind of story for voiceover acting, 'cause with Spotlight historically it's just been about film, tv, and theatre, really. Even commercials, is something that I, you know, Spotlight hasn't really, it's only really started engaging with, in, [00:18:00] in, in sort of more recent years really.
Abi: So I think it's, it was before I came, but I think it's about three years ago, the, the decision was made to actually count voiceover credits. So if you had like paid voiceover credits, then they, they would. be counted. Before that, they weren't even counted. I think that sort of started the change there.
Abi: And then shortly after that, I mean, it used to be, didn't it, that like actors went to drama school, got an agent got onto Spotlight, and it was quite a kind of small group, and there was like one route that you went. And if you didn't go that route then you couldn't get onto Spotlight or it was very difficult because you'd have to get like four credits or something.
Abi: And I think obviously the industry's completely changed now it's a lot less elitist, it's more about, accessibility and getting, it's trying and more about,
Melissa: it again.
Abi: that's all
Melissa: I think it's important to say that we are trying to be less elitist, aren't we? And things are changing [00:19:00] rapidly for sure. I think there's been seismic changes in what people will accept. And, so it's great to see that change that you're making at Spotlight.
Melissa: I just cut you off in the middle of your sentence there, so please feel free to finish.
Abi: that's fine. So yeah, there was so it was that change where we made it so we basically recognised that people who went on different kinds of courses, so if someone had gone on, and like we were talking about, if someone's done an evening course or a part time course, that we would still recognise that training and also that, people don't, It's quite hard to get four paid credits, so recognising that and bringing that down.
Abi: So we're just making the site more accessible. So that was a really big change. And then for voiceover, since I joined, this has been something that I've been like, really looking at and thinking, okay, How do we make the site work better for people, particularly who are hiring voiceover artists?
Abi: Because it just wasn't designed for that, so we've been kind of gradually making lots of changes. You won't [00:20:00] have seen these from the point of view of a voiceover artist, because most of them are more looking at how people can find you. So we've there's now, if for example, you are a casting director or studio who's looking to hire a voiceover artist, you can basically select exactly what voiceover skills you need them to have, what kind of training you need to them to have, if they need to have any kind of equipment in particular, so that we've just made that a lot easier, which you won't have seen from your side really, because you're just, always you'd be picking, you'd be picking those things anyway.
Abi: We also introduced, which seems such a simple thing, but just so that people could search by if someone had a voiceover, a voice reel. Which has really changed things because it means, okay, if someone's coming on they really need to just listen to voice reels and they can quickly switch to that. We also made it from when they're looking at submissions for [00:21:00] a job that. instead of having to go into each profile, they can just slide across and just hear your voice clips really quickly. Which has made it a lot easier for kind of audio companies. So those are the, and also this week has gone live the voice type changes.
Abi: So we used to have voice quality and voice character, which was really odd. So we've combined those into one and taken it out. All the kind of slightly controversial voice descriptions.
Melissa: It.
Abi: and yeah, so from the other side, people will be able to find people with the right style of voice that they want.
Abi: And then also that's coming up is the ability for people to request we're not sure what we're going to call it yet, actually. It's still in the product phase, but whether it's going to be like a demo read or, yeah, something similar. essentially doing like an audio tape or an audio self tape.
Abi: So we're in the designing process of that at the moment, but that should be going live next month. So there's all of that been going on [00:22:00] looking at the products and how we can change things so it works better. But then on the other side, we've also been looking at partnering with different organisations, working with them, seeing what else we can do.
Abi: So we've partnered with Animation UK, Animation Ireland. We've been doing quite a lot with looking at animation and video games particularly. So also with Yuki and then also Von, Grave of the Brain, looking at, connecting more with voiceover artists. So there's quite, and through those partnerships, there's quite a lot of stuff coming up.
Abi: We'll be doing webinars and they'll be doing webinars for us. different training events, we've got panel events coming up. We've got lots of booster sessions, there's lots of all day masterclasses on different areas of voiceover as well. We'll be at One Voice this week, so I'm going to that tomorrow.
Abi: So yeah, I think we're really, and it's interesting because I've been doing all these bits and pieces and going to all the, all the events and, [00:23:00] When I first started going and I'd speak to, video game developers or anyone really in the industry and would talk about, what, who I was and where I was from and stuff, no one knew what Spotlight was.
Abi: And I think, it's really interesting, like the last I went to Get Your Game On Von's event and people were actually talking about Spotlight and having a Spotlight profile and, how important that was and things, which is. A massive change actually, because I don't think we have that kind of awareness really.
Melissa: hearing about it many years ago when I did Panto with Frank Williams, RIP from Dad's Army, and I remember we used to go to this little restaurant at the end of the night every night, and he'd always say, join Equity, join Spotlight. And I was like, what are those things? And then I joined Spotlight.
Melissa: quite a number of years ago, and I have seen so many changes towards how it's now geared towards voice acting. The voice acting industry has exploded. I think the difficulty before was that Spotlight and Equity was seen very much as an actor's thing. And a lot of us were performing in the [00:24:00] commercial and corporate side.
Melissa: So those two things weren't really joining up. We're really thrilled at BRAVA. We're now part of the Spotlight graduate program and our talent can apply to become members, which is great. But again, it's just communicating and talking and putting these things together, really, I think. So it's great to have all that on offer for our talent specifically. Let's talk a little bit about the T word because it's something I have to ask everyone because everyone always asks us, are you noticing any particular trends in the voice acting industry and how you can best serve those elements?
Abi: Yeah, the really big thing that we're noticing a more and more now. So at the moment, 50 percent of roles that are cast on Spotlight are cast via search, rather than people actually posting breakdowns. Which so for example, when I started digging into video games, I found that every, all of the big studios and Pit Stop and Audio 2020 and [00:25:00] Moline Air and who have I forgotten?
Abi: I forget anyone Side Global. But yeah, all of those guys, they're all on Spotlight. And then I've subsequently met them and have meetings and stuff and they all use us. but they don't post breakdowns. So I think, that's been a real movement is in the voiceover world, particularly I'm seeing that, but we see it across the board and the more, cause we've also, we've joined, we've partnered with filmmakers now, which is a big casting platform in Germany and across other parts of Europe.
Abi: And we're looking at how we integrating our platform so that people could basically work all over Europe, and in Europe they don't use casting breakdowns at all, so it's, I don't know, that's a really, I don't know which way the trend is going at the moment. It feels like it's going towards less breakdowns and more people searching and finding people.
Abi: So I'm trying to Look at how we can respond to that. So one thing we're doing is [00:26:00] trying when people are doing searches looking at ways we can go almost like auto fill a breakdown for them, so that there's no, not much work involved. But I think people need to be able to see the work and apply for it themselves.
Abi: I think that's really because otherwise you just feel I don't know, like you can't do anything, don't you? I think you need to be able to feel proactive and be actually putting yourself out, out there.
Melissa: we certainly advise that, all of our talent aimed towards getting an, joining Equity and having a Spotlight profile when they're ready. I think it's a really important part of factoring that into your budget. Obviously everybody likes to chat about how effective this thing is or that thing is.
Melissa: And sometimes you just have to say, look, you just have to have a Spotlight profile. Some of you may book tons on it. Some of you may not. It's, it's, it's, it's. You know, it really just depends, but it is one of those things you need to factor into your budget and your plans as you're moving forward.
Melissa: I know for video games, you have to be on Spotlight. So many casting directors are looking at the [00:27:00] Spotlight profiles. So that's just our experience of it. Finally, we're coming up to the end of our chat, but I just want to ask you how important it is for you at Spotlight that you work with organisations like BRAVA.
Melissa: We are small, but perfectly formed, I like to say. And we all have different skillsets. styles of teaching and different offerings. But how important are those relationships to you?
Abi: Yeah, I think they're really important. So we, we're doing quite a lot to now recognise that it's not all about RADA and, LAMBDA, mean? There's an awful lot of people who are coming. to Spotlight and to acting and voice acting from all kinds of different training backgrounds.
Abi: And we don't want to put some above others. And yeah, I think we're as much as we can physically find the time and, we're trying to visit as many schools as possible and as many training organisations, as possible and particularly like BRAVA, and I know the ones where they're where you are actually kind of really [00:28:00] connected to the industry and really understand it, and I think that's one of, because we do vet.
Abi: The obviously the schools that can come on the platform and whether we do recognise them and that's a really big one there is kind of looking at, yeah, their relationships with the industry and how much they're kind of connecting their students to the industry. So yeah, I think the fact that I know you have some really interesting speakers come on here.
Abi: That had a big part to do to play with it as well, because it's yeah, then we can feel confident that you're someone we should be promoting to, on the platform. Yeah, there's a team, like all of my team, and then there's a, there's another two of my colleagues who do talks and bits and pieces at different organisations and schools.
Abi: And we also have some contractors that we bring in to, to do them as well. So we're trying, we really try and cover as many as we can. And also that we get out of London, because Not everyone's in London. And I think, COVID has been [00:29:00] great for that as well, of making it so like, you know what, you really don't need to be in London.
Abi: So I think that's only going to increase that people are going to migrate out. And yeah, we need to go to as many different regions.
Melissa: Listen, we are thrilled to be working with you and to support all the work that you do. Time is nearly up, but I just want to say, I'm really looking forward to seeing the promos for your new traveling theatre company coming out in your, in a few years time.
Melissa: Uh, when I'm 80. Oh,
Melissa: absolutely.
Abi: fancy that. I fancy being like the really kind of crazy actress like running a little theatre company. I think that would be great.
Melissa: Yeah, I always say I'm gonna have a cat on my shoulder, a big turban, maybe, I was gonna say a smoking pipe, but I don't smoke something to be, I just kind of want to lean into the creativity of the older I get, right, and go a bit crazy
Abi: You can be in my theatre company if you like.
Melissa: thank you, I can star in it, can't I?
Abi: Yeah. I have to be the star though. But
Melissa: I know, I know enough about you now to know that you will be the boss. But I will be [00:30:00] quietly maybe managing from the sidelines. Listen, it's been so lovely to chat to you. Thank you for your time and do please come and chat to us again soon.
Abi: You're welcome. Thank you. Bye.
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